By Stellack January 30, 2026 - 3:18am

The objectively or even subjectively “hot” men don’t have to fuck down, and rarely do unless they’re devoid of options. Which they rarely are because they’re hot. – Moxie

Hot guys fuck down, as do high earners. – Vox

I think hot guys fuck down only when forced to because they have no other option. – Moxie

Have you never heard of beer goggles? I’m with Vox on this one. Happens all the time, especially if they’ve had anything to drink. – Paula

Right. And at 1am when the bar lights go on or when the night was getting late, they picked whomever was available. They had no other options. Making it worse in those cases because the guy had to get drunk in order to have sex with the woman. – Moxie

It’s a funny thing, with all of the talk online people have about when to have sex, no one factors female attraction into the equation. Men, bloggers like Moxie, talk about “golden vaginas” and “calling her bluff” if a woman doesn’t have sex early on, and never for a moment consider whether said woman is sexually attracted to the guy in the first place. The only people online who DO factor female attraction into the equation are PUA types, who understand that fostering sexual attraction in women is THE #1 way to get a woman into bed (whether the techniques are manipulative or not). – Vox

That’s because most people – men especially – know that the “I don’t know if I’m attracted enough to him to have sex with him” line is a load of crap. We know in minutes if we’re attracted to a guy and whether we want to sleep with him or not. If you have to go on multiple dates to build an attraction with someone or to find them attractive, you’re forcing it and the attraction doesn’t really exist. It’s merely something the woman has convinced herself exists because the truth – that that’s the best she can do – isn’t as romantic. Yes, there are those rare occasions when attraction develops over time. But they are the exception to the rule, not the rule. – Moxie

The answer, i think, is that it is assumed that women, unlike you, are not dating men they aren’t sexually attracted to in the first place. The question is usually how to find and keep such a man, not how to become attracted to someone who you initially find replusive. – DMN

Not always true, not even close. In my age group – 40+ – women routinely date and try to “land” men who are great on paper, even though they aren’t sexually attracted to them. Haven’t I seen you post about women who date men for reasons of social status over attraction? If that was you, you were right. Very difficult for us to say no to the wealthy man with an awesome job. – Vox

Men – even average ones, have options with respect to sex, more than they ever did in the past. You can’t change the reality by getting angry at it. How people want to deal with that reality is another story.- DMN

Here’s my opinion…rarely will a man look past an  initial lack of physical attraction when considering a woman for a relationship. I believe many women will “dig deeper” because that way they can say they have someone and one up their female peers.I tend to believe that, in most cases of attraction that comes over time, the person is forcing an attraction that doesn’t exist strictly so they can be in a relationship. Yes, in some cases, the attraction is genuine. But i think they are an exception to the rule and not the rule.

Of course, some men will forgo physical attraction just to get laid. As we discussed in another thread, men are more likely to “fuck down” than women are. The guy doesn’t have to be attracted to the woman to have sex with her. Personally, I don’t think the men with even a moderate amount of options fuck down unless they have to. I think the times they lower their standards for sex are few and far between. As DMN said, even the average men have more options now.  So even those men are less likely to have sex with a woman they don’t find attractive.

I also happen to think that women will happily “fuck up” not because of the promise of sexual satisfaction, but because having sex with a man who is considered “hot” is perceived as some sort of achievement. It’s not about the sex or even the sexual gratification. In situations like that, I think, the man who is “fucking down” is less likely to be invested in the woman’s satisfaction. So often the only take away for the woman is the notion that she pulled a hot guy and nothing more.

Thoughts?

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